Listen to Professor Winders on the Sentientism Podcast discussing “what’s real” and “who matters.” Sentientism is “evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” The video of the compelling conversation may be found ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.